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Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 19 2009, 6:58 PM EDT
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We seem to have created this thread quite by accident. It started as a segway in the "Cheesy U.F.O. Videos" but seems to of gained a life and momentum all it's own. Tesla, Leadskalin & Hutchison all did or are doing work in the fringe areas of "science?" and all, for the most part have gone.....or, are unrecognized for their accomplishments, experiments and / or methods. I know that there are a few of you with more than a passing interest in these people and their accomplishments, whether recognized by main-stream science or not. Some of you are quite accomplished basement / garage inventors in your own right What obsticles have you run into when it comes to the "legal" end of things ie: patent registry, theft of ideas or what have you? What is the relationship between "lay lines" and anti gravity? Did Mr. Leadskalin know something that nobody else does? When it comes to Mr. Tessla, why were his patents questioned and who was behind the conspiracy to prevent his estate from benefiting from them? And, as for Mr. Hutchison, why is the American government doing their best to shut him down? Even though he's operating and carrying out his experiments in Canada? Is it a figment of my (paranoid) mind or are there factions in the "Great American Machine" that don't want we "mere earthlings" to know anything more technical than say, how the wheel works. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?
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Mohunter |
1. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 19 2009, 10:12 PM EDT
Yes, I guess we did get a bit carried away? Even though I did start the post, we somehow drifted away from the original subject. That's partly my fault, I'm very opinionated and don't mind speaking whatever happens to be on my mind at the moment. I could tell that some of the posters were getting a little irritated about it. It's just nice to find intelligent conversation again. It's been awhile, I had actually given up on the wiki quite some time ago. The members at that time weren't even interested in the content of the wiki. There were private chats going on that had nothing to do with the paranormal, or ET's. With that being said...............I have done quite a bit of reading on Nicola Tesla, not so much on Hutchison. At least not enough to really form an opinion on the guy. I neither like him or hate him. Tesla on the other hand is one of my heroes. 1) He never gave up in the face of ridicule, or adversity. 2) He was extremely dedicated to what he was doing, devoting every waking moment to reach his goal, almost to the point of obsession. 3) I don't feel like he ever got a fair shake from society. He was under constant monitoring by the government. The Feds kept a keen eye on Nic and all his experiments. I'm not surprised that they did, because I think that they recognized his potential. I honestly believe that they were afraid of what he was capable of. He never got the respect he deserved from the scientific community. Einstein was The most celebrated scientist of all time. His achievments are still heard world round. Nicola never had that. He never had a huge following, or understanding of his goals from anyone. Yet, he was one of, if not the most brilliant mind of all time? The things that he imagined, built, designed, concieved, or had a hand in were out of this world for the era in which it occured. People have to understand that in the late 1800's (continued) Do you find this valuable? |
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2. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 19 2009, 10:17 PM EDT
Tesla could have been considered a witch, or heretic? His work I'm sure was considered by most to be the evil work of the devil? He was not at all excepted by his peers or the public, nor his own government. Only a chosen few close friends really understood what he was doing, and why he must. A few of his collegues realized his potential and gave credit to him. I only wish I could have known him. I wish I could step back in time and be a small mouse in the corner of his lab. What a thrill it would be to watch him work! Yes, I am a fan as you can see. I've rambled long enough for now.
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lancesergeant |
3. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 22 2009, 10:40 AM EDT
Nicola Tesla has got to be the most maligned scientist in history - genius no doubt.,more so than Einstein. I believe he was a giant in science but a sheep for the magnates. JP Morgan dropped him when he found he wanted to give free energy. There is the animosity alleged shown by that other genius Edison and the powers that be at the time. Various reports state that Edison sabotaged him every which way with the AC/DC issue. Think if Edison had that sort of influence, what would those magnates who ultimately would be affected think when his discoveries were destroying their profits or making them redundant!!Free electicity? - somebody will want to get their bit of it. Either through taxation or making the transmitter, receivers and cornering the market. Can you imagine technology in line with ufos. Although he would have ultimately made mankind develop technologically, it would destabilise the economy. Death rays and the like, it has been said that the Russians had access to that technology. There is definitely a lot of literature locked up in vaults that though advanced, the world is not ready for yet. This, though the same wold is crying out for it Could this information destabilize the economy? Would it make certain industries defunct? Corporate interest and powers that be keeping it hidden for perpetuity. What are in the files which are kept hidden? Radical mega advanced potential military technology, that if adopted would lead to a power imbalance that would lead to a world war. They are not hogging it for themselves and profit from the spoils, hamstringing their opposition. Did the authorities and the Nazi aeronautics brought from Germany take on board some of the knowledge of the hidden literature. If Tesla had been American, he would have eclipsed the great Edison. He had principles which he wouldn't compromise for the the worshippers of the mighty Mammon. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 12:20 PM EDT
Re: Tesla's Estate -- At the time "Nic" died, Romania (where his family lived) was under the control of the Soviet Union. (I have this from various books that are long out of print, but available on interlibrary loan.) It was the days of the cold war, and certainly the U. S. Government did not want all that fantastic knowledge being brought back where the Soviets could get their hands on it!< Digression: There is a wonderful spoof of the Tesla-type, "lone scientist" (I will not say mad scientist) to be found in a rare low-budget movie called "The Wacky World of Dr. Morgus". The lead character is at odds with ivy tower universities, underfunded/non-funded, and always sets up experiments that inevitably fail -- grandly, of course. < End of digression. Back to our main topic: If you want to know more about how the U. S. Government has been involved in "mad science", particularly since World War II, you may want to read DR. MARY'S MONKEY by Edward T. Haslam. If you got polio shots in the 1950s and 1960s, this book will make you think very hard. < How much is the government covering up and keeping away from us? It does not matter. As stated by Lance Sergeant, the answer is that someone is making money off of the electric power systems we have today. That is why so much of Tesla's discoveries have been squelched. < Digression: Probably you have seen an episode of the animated cartoon show "Men in Black". I think it was so close to the truth, that the series ended before its time "on account of how because". My favorite scene was when the MiB asked an alien about one of the devices that had been bestowed upon humankind. The alien proceeded to clap its hands, and all the lights in the room went out. The alien clapped its hands again, and all the lights turned back on. Enough said. Do you find this valuable? |
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5. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 1:59 PM EDT
Apparently Tesla did something similar to a large audience. It is said that he held a light bulb in his hand and it lit up - no visible cables or power source. Tesla's said that he could get electricity out of the air and the big tower in the East of the States was to send it. JP Morgan pulled the plug (pardon the pun) when he realised Tesla's intention to give the energy away.If the science was not that valuable why did the US government, not want it to fall into the grasps of the Soviets? Tesla was an electrical/energy genius . What are the odds that it was a laser . Energy out of the air - how about tapping into the source of lighting, thunder and the like. There are numerous pictures of Tesla in a Faraday cage, with the lightning/ electrical charge sparking around him. Einstein and Tesla both had visions and saw pictures in which this technology revealed itself to them. An interesting thought to ponder for the other threaders: Do some film makers leave cryptic clues right in front of our eyes for those who can recognise them to pick them up. walter9mitty mentions the incident in MIB. To paraphrase Walt Disney, he said that people would not take in what Fantasia was about, or what he interpreted it to be. A bit like the 3d pictures perhaps. What are the odds that some sci fi fantasy shows some way out gadget and it is already in production somewhere! Is it possible that the playwright or the author are dropping these hints but can't do so openly for fear of punishment or something else. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 2:55 PM EDT
My grandparents were about 20 years younger than Nikola Tesla but were from the same Serbian village. My grandfather passed away in Canada in 1947 and many years later I was going through his things. He used to lend money to people who were hard up and kept a big ledger. I was reading the names and the amounts owing due in the ledger and spotted Nikola Tesla's name with an amount of money beside it (can't remember how much). Just a little vignette.
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Mohunter |
7. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 4:07 PM EDT
I don't have room to quote both, but lancesergeant and walter9mitty make some very good points. I can't talk about this among friends or family without subjecting myself to ridicule and being called a "conspiracy theorist" I have brought things of this nature up before and they all look at me as if I've taken a few steps off the reservation. So, I've resigned myself to the fact that I cannot discuss such things as this with them, only here can I express my views and be heard and understood. I truly believe that we have all been lied to from the very beginning. Not only by the US government, but many other nations as well. It's a colaborated effort to keep us down, and under their control. When you break it all down it always comes back to the same thing time after time, Money and Power. They both go hand in hand. If you have Money you have the Power. With Power Wealth follows closely behind. Most of the general public just accepts that this is the way things are and allow themselves to be controlled. We are nothing more than slaves, or drones used for their purposes. Then, when one of us tries to break out from the rest and expose the real truth, that person either disappears, or get's completely stripped of their humanity and shut down. They don't want us to know the Truth, because it would mean the end of their Wealth and Power. We don't need to burn oil, we don't need fossil fuel or coal, for making electric power. In terms of progress in the field of energy sources, these methods are akin to the cavemen using bones, rocks, and sticks for tools and weapons. There is an endless supply of energy all around us. In the atmosphere that surrounds us. In the water that covers 70% of our planet. The sun that warms us. The list goes on and on. Yet, we let the powers that be prevent us from harvesting it. Why? Because they make money off of the resources that they allow us to have. Energy "IS" free. Do you find this valuable? |
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Ricochet-Rabbit |
8. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 4:30 PM EDT
In reference to points raised by yourself and "lancesergeant", it is unfortunate that the major power brokers in private enterprise and government, are so closely linked.......if not actually one and the same. Even our university research departments are controlled by whoever happens to be holding the purse strings.I can understand the U.S. government wanting to prevent Mr. Tesla's inventions or "patented assets" from falling into the hands of an unfriendly government but, it raises the question "If you succeed in registering a patent, who ultimately owns it? You or the government?" Would not Nikolia's estate have run into the same roadblocks if he and his family were say British, Canadian or Australian nationals as opposed to citizens of a country that was then under communist rule? Would it ever be possible to remove the blatant conflict of interest that exists between government, private enterprise and the lowly inventor? Keeping in mind that the larger your "bankroll" the more (human?) rights you apparently have. Roger 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Ricochet-Rabbit |
9. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 4:57 PM EDT
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Well said Chris!! My sentiments exactly. I was just adding something similar when you posted this, your latest comment.(I guess there really is something to the zodiac thing lol) I really think that we are kept in the dark because when you consider just how "untouchable"and "manipulative" these power mongers are, whether in government, Wall St. or both, it's enough to give the average citizen nightmares or worse.Roger Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 6:33 PM EDT
I thought after twenty years in the UK, the patent expires. It's a thought that if the item is too valuable to be on open use, the government would block it on a national security issue or similar.
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Mohunter |
11. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 8:57 PM EDT
"Well said Chris!! My sentiments exactly. I was just adding something similar when you posted this, your latest comment.(I guess there really is something to the zodiac thing lol) I really think that we are kept in the dark because when you consider just how "untouchable"and "manipulative" these power mongers are, whether in government, Wall St. or both, it's enough to give the average citizen nightmares or worse.Perfect example: Big Oil Tycoons and Companies, there is technology out there that allows cars to run on water, seriously they can seperate the hydrogen from water and use it to fuel vehicles, but you don't hear much about that do you? No, they don't want that technology to develop because the big oil companies would lose too much money. Too many people getting rich off of oil, even if we do buy most of it from the Middle East. They are all in cahoots with each other. There is also the technology to get 60 or more miles out of less than a gallon of gas, but you don't see that on the streets either. Yes, the focus has shifted to better mileage vehicles, but there are better advances than what they are allowing to hit the main stream. Why? Because even though you can get a little better mileage now, we are still dependent on oil. We will never be free until we break our dependence on fossil fuel. Meanwhile, the planet just keeps getting more and more filthy. Do you find this valuable? |
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Ricochet-Rabbit |
12. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 9:41 PM EDT
I first read about the use of hydrogen as an alternative fuel source back in the mid 1970's. Even back then it was the general consensus that research & development was being suppressed by the big oil companies..........again, there were too many politicians with fingers in the fossil fuel pie. As for getting 60+ mpg, obviously the "Daddy Warbucks" of the world would see a decrease in their revenue stream. They stand to make huge profits selling their fossil fuels and contaminating the earth almost to the point of no return and then, of course, there'll be even greater profits to be had by their descendants / beneficiaries in marketing "clean-up" technology. Roger Do you find this valuable? |
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13. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 22 2009, 10:20 PM EDT
"I first read about the use of hydrogen as an alternative fuel source back in the mid 1970's. Even back then it was the general consensus that research & development was being suppressed by the big oil companies..........again, there were too many politicians with fingers in the fossil fuel pie.Exactly. Does the GE and Hudson River river ring a bell? GE contaminated that water supply for years, then a lawsuit was filed and they had to pay millions in restitution. Plus clean it up. That's why they bought out every water purification facility they could get their hands on. My company included. I worked for Ecolochem, a water treatment entity. We were at the time one of the largest suppliers of Industrial grade water treatment equipment. We were bought out by 2 other companies before GE decided that they just had to have us, and made them an offer they couldn't refuse. Now GE advertises that they are the "New" ecofriendly GE Water. Like everybody forgot about the mess they caused some years back. Sadly, like most companies do after buying us out, there were massive lay-offs. It started with managment, then trickled down to production, then the maintenance crew. I was in maintenance so I was out the door, along with many others. Life was pretty good till GE took over. Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 23 2009, 3:26 AM EDT
Roger I have had ideas, and plans stolen but without the paperwork to back up my claim they are just empty claims not a leg to stand on while others take the qudoes for My work.I wont go into details as it would be pointless here, but there are those who are only too glad to ride the wagon once you have provided the wheels. As for Tesla, he was a generous man his aim to provide wireless power to the masses at no cost, regreatably his backer, from memory J P Morgan wasnt and was outraged at his preposterous idea. no profit in it, he pull the funds before things got outta hand and saw to if that no one would back tesla and along with his other Cigars decided to ruin the man and like the pharos of old try and erase his name from history, it didnt work though just a shame Tesla was not around to get the credit he deserved. Hutchison is being hounded I believe because he is on the verge of a major breakthrough that would advance mankind no end. The government want him shut down because his breakthrough would violate an agreement the government has with other parties, they already have this technology but are gradually releasing it. Hutchison has stumble onto it and the government stand to loose alot technologically if he is allowed to proceed. Havnt you ever wundered why alot of the fabulous inventions we hear of, and their inventors are only around a short time then no more is heard of them. For the main part they are brought off. There was a guy here in New Zeland who invented a fuel system that ran completely on water. He was threatened and handed over all the paperwork, prototype and anthing involved with the device, which a well known oil company then patiented and shelved so it could not be produced. You will find these inventions exist but governments, oil companies and power companies all see to it that they retain the manopoly and keep the strangle hold for profit on the general consumer. Tony Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 23 2009, 3:42 AM EDT
Mohunter you really don't know what a pleasure it is to find such intelligent conversation, I too revel in conversations such as we are having and it has been so long since I have been able to have such stimulating conversations, I think these forums will now take on a new lease of life. Over the last few days I have been unable to post as I had a tooth extracted which became extremely infected. Being disabled I have to rely on voice typing software which due to the infection would not recognise what I had to say. However it has been a joy to follow the conversations and now finally make my contribution.Just imagine the achievements it could've been made of Tesla had have been recognised for this work and encouraged, the late 1800s I am sure would have been a Jules Verneain paradise. I, as an amateur backyard scientist, can really feel for Tesla as without financial backing a brilliant mind and great ideas go nowhere. I think that is why I like the work Hutchison is doing as I tend to favour the underdog, which Hutchison truly is as despite the flow of governmental opposition he has remained steadfast no matter what. Men with financial backing and large corporations do make great contributions to mankind but, they haven't had to fight the same as someone like Tesla or Hutchison had to. Tony Do you find this valuable? |
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16. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Minds
May 23 2009, 3:49 AM EDT
My god Lancesergeant I couldn't have said it better I try. You see that's what I mean about great minds on this forum, this is like manna to a starving man.As for the great technology we all know scientists whether professional or amateur are always just pawns for the military. Einstein found this out with the invention of the H-bomb and deeply regretted it. A lot of Tesla's great work could easily have been perverted for military purposes. Tony Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 23 2009, 3:55 AM EDT
Walter9mitty You Hit the nail fair and square on the head.There is alot of technology stored that would solve alot of problems but those that be have decided there is no profit to be had from its release too hell with the benefit to mankind. There apparetnly was an excellent movie made about Tesla and his work BTW. Tony Do you find this valuable? |
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18. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 23 2009, 4:04 AM EDT
Mohunter I definitely know what you mean about family, I too am in a similar situation perhaps it is the intellectual grasp of things that makes it so hard for others to understand. However your comment, 7 I couldn't agree more we are definitely on the same page.Tony Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Nicolai Tesla, Edward Leadskalin, John Hutchison & Other Fringe Mi
May 23 2009, 4:54 PM EDT
"Mohunter I definitely know what you mean about family, I too am in a similar situation perhaps it is the intellectual grasp of things that makes it so hard for others to understand. However your comment, 7 I couldn't agree more we are definitely on the same page.Thanks Tony, that's exactly why I'm here too. I have had lots and lots of paranormal experiences my whole life, and even when I was a little kid nobody would listen. I didn't even know what was going on, I just knew that it scared me, and I had nobody to help. My parents just thought it was bad dreams, or make believe. Let me tell you, it wasn't! I know the difference between being awake, and being asleep and having a bad dream. I learned over time how to deal with certain things, and now it doesn't bother me much. I found out a long time ago that if other people don't experience things of this nature for themselves, then they won't be very sympathetic about your experiences. So, I've always kept them to myself. Until people like the ones on this site started sharing their experiences, and I feel comfortable here. I feel like we are All on the same page. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
