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BunkieLA |
Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jan 20 2009, 11:12 AM EST
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In the 1970s, Dr. Rines of the famous photographs at Loch Ness coined this scientific name for such critters. I believe such creatures exist. In the 1800s, passengers and crew of the Daedalus, out in the Gulf of Mexico, saw just such a creature "jumbo size'; and crewmen who are used to being out there on the water (then as now) do not make up stories like that. I also believe that these creatures are interdimensional, but that they do tend to procreate, feed, and grow here in the lakes and oceans of planet earth.
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BunkieLA |
1. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 10:19 AM EDT
THE MONSTER HUNT IS ON! Google has shown us a whole new way to look for lake monsters, using satellite photographs that are accessible to everyone!< I have posted an opinion on the Google satellite photo posted this morning by Denmaster under Cryptozoology. < If you are seeking more information, pictures, resources on the Loch Ness phenomena and related subjects, start with this site: www.nessie.co.uk. It is absolutely fantastic! See Wikipedia for plesiosaurs, too! < I have my own interpretations of some of the Rines photographs, particularly the head-neck pictures that were described in a 1970s book as "looking like a cabbage". < I think comparisons need to be done with historical photos and the satellite photo from Google. (I lost all my books in the floods of 2005 in New Orleans, so rebuilding my reference library is taking a bit of time.) < LET'S GO FOR IT! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 10:47 AM EDT
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Visit www.nessie.co.uk for lots more information on Nessie and some smiles, too!< In the 1980s, a Sherlock Holmes movie was made at Loch Ness. A full-size mock-up of what the critter was supposed to look like was made up, and towed behind a boat, often at most-un-Nessie type speeds. The mock-up did the merciful thing and sank, and what is left of it still sits on the bottom of the Loch, cute little horns and all. < In the last few years, a car company has used the setting of the famous Loch Ness castle as a setting for a commercial. An outsized animated image of Nessie snaps up the car company's SUV and makes off with it into the Loch, then decides differently and spits the SUV out! Clever. People still believe! Do you find this valuable? |
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lancesergeant |
3. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 1:25 PM EDT
Researchers know little about the possibility of the ocean dwellers, because they haven't gone down to the depths to bring one up. The bones of them if they were extinct would no doubt be dissolved by now. If they are built as they are , why would they need to come to the surface. The water pressure on the animal would be a lot less near the surface. The lack of sitings may be down to the simple fact that it is aware of predators or it doesn't need to come near the surface. Food would be rare on the bottom so if one of these creatures died it wouldn't be sitting on the bottom for long. I hope they don't find it, for the simple reason - clowns would hound the poor things, and private collectors would want it as a trophy of sport. Cryptozoologists may have a valid interest in detecting these creatures, I can't say the same for the rest.t Do you find this valuable? |
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lancesergeant |
4. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 1:26 PM EDT
I think Denmaster has put a photo on the site which was taken by a abdulaziz on google earth. Might be worth a look. See what you think.
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BunkieLA |
5. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 2:58 PM EDT
Not to brag, but to expand on the photo posted by Denmaster, I posted a collage of doctored pictures and reference artwork for comparison this photos morning. I hope this helps.< I wish I still had it, my copy a picture from a children's book that was actually titled "Nessie Romance" -- it is not any way graphic -- that shows two Nessies swimming side-by-side, both underwater. The male with a hint of a smile is holding out a flipper towards the female as if he were a Beau Brummell looking for his ladylove to take his arm. The female has her head ducked as if she were a blushing ingenue, but she has one eye sort of looking "come hither" in the male's direction. Weird! < Now, as to rotting bodies of large animals. PBS recently had on "Nature" a show about what is going on at the bottom of the sea, having to do with global warming and the release of all kinds of horrible gasses. It was noted that the carcasses of whales drift all the way down to the bottom, and as they decompose, they release an awful lot of gasses. What the show seemed to be saying is that the bodies of very large animals like whales -- and all the kith and kin of Nessiteras -- will end up on the sea floor and not float to the top. This is the same opinion given of conditions in Loch Ness, that the cold layer at the bottom traps dead matter way, deep down in the cleft. (I summarize from a story in the National Geographic decades ago.) < Horns: Again, using Nessies as the example, there is no question -- from various pictures -- that the animals have "cute little horns" atop their heads. The floor is open to all suggestions, from giraffe-like ornamental growths to snorkel equipment. (Continued Page 2) < In the late 19th century, a very large sea-going creature was seen in the Gulf of Mexico by the passengers an crew of The Daedalus. Charles Fort even has a cite for it in his books. Do you find this valuable? |
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BunkieLA |
6. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 5:29 PM EDT
Page Two (!) -- Unknown creatures that live at the bottom of the ocean: Again, public television has had a host of different programs about things like "what lurks at the bottom of the Mariana Trench" and those sorts of things. One program on squids did discuss the giant squids that are hunted by whales deep down where even a whale has to be able to hold its breath an hour or more (if I remember correctly). From what I have learned over the years is that a surprising number of creatures do swim up an down along the geoscline, from the ocean depths to the continental shelves. Not all of them are giants, either. The Chambered Nautilus is one that rides the air in its shell like you or I would ride an elevator!< From my readings, I have come to the conclusion that there are three schools of thought about where the living Nessie, her kith and kin, vanish to when they are not playing at submarine snorkel or periscope, or at the best conning tower, at the surface. < The first is dependent upon how long the creatures are able to hold their breaths; the comparison is made to migrating Pacific Ocean turtles that hold their breaths for hours while they rest in caves in reefs or off of islands in mid-ocean. It is suggested that Nessies have the capability to hold their breaths for a long time, and that they hole up in caves deep down in the lochs and similar locations. < The second idea is that only the young stay in the lochs, and that the full-grown animals live exclusively at sea. This idea is based upon the consideration that only smallish animals could navigate the narrow waterways from the inland bodies of water where they are found. Full-grown animals, it is presumed, would become stuck. (Continued page 3) Do you find this valuable? |
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7. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 5:34 PM EDT
Page Two (!) -- Unknown creatures that live at the bottom of the ocean: Again, public television has had a host of different programs about things like "what lurks at the bottom of the Mariana Trench" and those sorts of things. One program on squids did discuss the giant squids that are hunted by whales deep down where even a whale has to be able to hold its breath an hour or more (if I remember correctly). From what I have learned over the years is that a surprising number of creatures do swim up an down along the geoscline, from the ocean depths to the continental shelves. Not all of them are giants, either. The Chambered Nautilus is one that rides the air in its shell like you or I would ride an elevator!< From my readings, I have come to the conclusion that there are three schools of thought about where the living Nessie, her kith and kin, vanish to when they are not playing at submarine snorkel or periscope, or at the best conning tower, at the surface. < The first is dependent upon how long the creatures are able to hold their breaths; the comparison is made to migrating Pacific Ocean turtles that hold their breaths for hours while they rest in caves in reefs or off of islands in mid-ocean. It is suggested that Nessies have the capability to hold their breaths for a long time, and that they hole up in caves deep down in the lochs and similar locations. < The second idea is that only the young stay in the lochs, and that the full-grown animals live exclusively at sea. This idea is based upon the consideration that only smallish animals could navigate the narrow waterways from the inland bodies of water where they are found. Full-grown animals, it is presumed, would become stuck. (Continued page 3) Do you find this valuable? |
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BunkieLA |
8. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 6:01 PM EDT
Page Three (!!) -- Again, I am quoting from sources that I have read or seen; the opinions expressed are not particularly my own, and most of them are not except where noted.< The third idea is one that is one that applies to almost all the paranormal phenomena discussed here at P&M. It is that creatures of the paranormal are capable of interdimensional transit. The Chambered Nautilus has a daily round: Waft itself from many leagues in the deep, dark sea up to the sunshiny continental shelves, then back down again. These creatures of which we write here come from a place where they have their daily round: Slip into the dimension of planet Earth, get lunch, then slip back into their own dimension. < My theory (which is liable to change), about most "solid" paranormal beings such as EBEs, Nessies, chupacabas, and even creatures that function like vampires and werewolves, is this: What are these creatures designed to eat, and when is the thing they eat going to be most active? (Unless it is plants; that's something else for another discussion.) If they can travel between dimensions, they must certainly have favorite hunting places or fishing holes on this side -- and times when they know the hunting is best. < FOOTNOTE TO UNKNOWN ANIMALS THAT LIVE IN THE DEEP: Could the Nessies, their kith and kin be capable of deep dives to live "way down at the bottom of the ocean" as the 1970s song says? If the whole skeleton is not capable of enduring great depths, then the animal cannot make the dives (so say the science books). Could there be creatures below still unknown to humankind. Absolutely, yes! < In keeping with my idea about the eating habits of sea animals, I would also have to ask, "Is there anything edible in the deep that would be of interest to a Nessie?" And since I've been talking about food, I'm going to get some tea and take the rest of the evening off. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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lancesergeant |
9. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 11:21 PM EDT
The nodes on the head of Nessie, I would make a presumption and say they are for location. We have an animal in very limited light at those depths - if at all. It may send out a sonar signal, like a bat in air and receives the signal back at these nodes on the top of its head. They could however, also be some part which biologists describe as vestigial, like the appendix on people. Achieved a purpose one time, but which it is now, not needed for. Another possibility is that linked to sonar again. The owl has its ears at different levels so it not only can acertain distance in the dark but also position. Nessies nodes may work on this principle, again who knows!With the nautilus I for one didn't know of its feeding habits. Looking at its size it could only feed off plankton, which is only found in the top levels due to the requirement for light. This would explain nautilus's migratory habits. It might be a bottom dweller which still has adapted to its life in the depths and has adapted its life to both habitats. It may live lower down to evade natural predators. I read or saw - can't remember which!, that once a fish dies and the swim bladder ceases to function, the animal sinks to the bottom where it is torn up by specialist scavengers. I don't recall the depths, it may have been a couple of hundred feet, maybe five or six hundred!! With small and large Nessies, it may be simply that they breed in the sheltered safety of say a loch, and then live the rest of their lives at sea. While young they may be predated on. The eastern end of Loch Ness is well wide enough for a Nessie to get out of. The third idea has merit. It would explain a lot of things and not just in this instance but a lot of others as well! Most people live with the concept of three dimensions, some would include time as the fourth. This is what we are taught, and thus we adapt our learning to this. Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 11:39 PM EDT
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If we however are taught there are more dimensions, and these are proven, then we expand our views and understandings to the expanded framework. If you don't know of the existence of something you are unlikely to use it in your everyday thinking!! This idea might be shooed off or ridiculed, but if it becomes scientific fact, minds will open up and develop new ideas and theories. I thought that was how we developed as a species anyway. If for arguments sake they said and proved there were fifteen dimensions, I would struggle to get my head round it. One because I have formed a life on information of three dimensions. I would now have to think different - radically different. I couldn't look or approach a thing in the manner I did before. It would also mean I would question things more. There is also the possibility it could lead to sensory overload and excessive scrutiny. Parellel universes might just be the sixth or seventh dimension or just symmetrical opposites to what we have now. If we don't think outside the box we will miss the opportunities and the potential for growth and this I feel counteracts any naysayers and skeptics. Let them stay in their clinical rigid perceptual prison. What is wrong with expanding one's perception. If parellel universes or dimensions are a reality then it would be virtually back to square one for education. Kids would learn from the start of these extras and their minds would think in an expanded way not how we think today. If you could travel to it or you are in it, what extra knowledge would you have to take in to accept it. It would be a radical expansion in your knowledge base, at the least you would look at the world in a different light. In a parallel universe you might see creatures you had never seen in your dimensions occupying the same space. It might be seeing people you belive passed on walking among you. Death may be man's passing into another dimension - who knows. Do you find this valuable? |
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11. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 11:50 PM EDT
It is a thought , that it is because we are advancing in technology we are perhaps touching these other dimensions. We might occupy a parallel universe but advances are causing movements into others. The shadow people and the like may be seen because they are touching a perceived curtain and not knowing it. We haven't explored one per cent of the depths of the oceans anything and I mean anything could be out there! Lost civilisations, aliens who knows?
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12. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Jul 29 2009, 11:55 PM EDT
The way we study the ocean is at best look at as a person going into a massive room at night with a torch. They can only see so much in front of them. This without water pressures and hazards as well - a simplification you will agree. However it is basically how we are approaching it.
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13. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Aug 1 2009, 4:47 AM EDT
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Personally I would say more like the Albert Hall, with the lights, out after my boys had been through it, with nothing but a candle. Where it comes to sea monsters you will notice now would be opening up of the oceans that they are actually far less monster sightings. I believe this to be because our oceans have become very noisy with all the shipping, I guess though the same would apply to Loch Ness as boats now use noisy engines instead of the relative quietness of sailing ships.Any creature in the ocean would be able to hear of this coming from miles away and disappear before it was even seen. This was not so much the case that the turn-of-thecentury and you will find that there are a lot more reports back then then there are now. There are definitely so many more creatures to be discovered in our oceans, they are even now coming up with new species of whales that have not been previously seen, or had been seen only once or twice. The bottom in our oceans hide many mysteries as many of the deeper water creatures do not float at all, when they die but sent straight to the bottom directly. That was one reason dead coelacanth never washed up and its discovery was purely accidental. The same may be true for many species of sea monster. I honestly think the chances of the capture of a genuine living sea monster is highly unlikely when you consider the vastness of the oceans not only in distance but in depth as well. I think the same also applies to Nessie as with all a motor boat traffic now these animals tend to stay in the more secluded parts of the Loch and as has been stated probably have the ability to hold their breath for a long time until the annoying boat is well and truly past. One thing I have noticed is that a lot of sightings of these creatures are shorebased not from boats, so they must obviously have the capability to detect boat traffic and avoid it. Tony 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Nessiteras rhombopteryx
Aug 2 2009, 5:09 PM EDT
FOOTNOTE: Satellite Photo Mind Games: How big is the Ogopogo in the complete satellite photo with land features showing?< Look close at the white pier that juts out into the water. Notice the tiny dark blob of a person standing in the middle of the squarish end to that pier. Just for the sake of playing a mind game, I figured that the person -- or his approximate "noon-ish" shadow --standing there was a good six feet in length/height. < Now, calculate the possible length of Ogopogo compared to the length of that shadow -- I used the skeleton in the picture from Wikipedia for proportions -- the conclusion comes down to this: At the time that the satellite picture was taken, that puppy out there was a "whopper"! < "Sea monsters" have been reported at lengths of 100-200 feet in length. Lake monsters seem to run a bit shorter, like 50-75 feet. (Roy Mackal, various writings.) Do you find this valuable? |
